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Why do "pro-lifers" mistake a clump of cells with a baby?

posted to religion by Brett, Necromancer of the Hungry (20 comments)


Brett, Necromancer of the Hungry,

Because they failed biology.

Andy, Merchant of the Lonely,

The point on prostitution is to correct mistaken notions of what the bible says is and is not sexual sin. The developing fetus has its own body, it is not the woman's body. The woman's body is HOSTING another body during pregnancy. A zygote as a fertilized egg is never aborted in an abortion procedure. Certain random events, certain drugs, or certain illnesses may cause it to be expelled, but at that stage it is way to early for it to ever be part of a surgical abortion procedure. A surgical abortion is always done way past the zygote stage.

Brett, Necromancer of the Hungry,

What do you mean that zygotes are never aborted? Ever heard of plan B?

Until a fetus can survive on its own, it is the woman's body.

Why are you so concerned with a lump of tissue? Do you still believe in antiquated notions like a soul? You don't know much about neuroscience do you? Until the development of the prefrontal cortex, the "soul" doesn't exist. All of those qualities that you attribute to a "soul" are attributes of the prefrontal cortex. Before the prefrontal cortex exists, it isn't a human being.

Andy, Merchant of the Lonely,

Plan B may be controversial even to pro-lifers. I haven't fully figured out what I think of it. What I am really against are surgical abortion procedures unless it is a true medical emergency.

Addison, Security Guard of Good,

Don't waste your time. Christians lie about being monotheists, so they will lie about anything.

Andy, Merchant of the Lonely,

I figured something out. The bible says that there are three persons in one God. If you label that as monotheism or polytheism, do as you wish. I believe what the bible teaches. You can put whatever label on what I believe you want, mono or polytheism. As long as it worships the true God, I don't care what kind of label you super-impose on my beliefs. It is more important to worship the true God vs a false god or gods rather than saying it is mono or polytheism. That is the true issue. Other than that, I care not what labels man made philosophy imposes on me or my beliefs. Amen and amen!!!!!!!!!!!

Frankie, Fashion Model of Generosity,

I do believe in programs that help people with crisis pregnancies. I find it interesting that you ASSUME I don't believe or support that. You know nothing about me and you assume I would tell women not to have an abortion and then do nothing to help them in difficult situations. That is very interesting. Fetuses have brainwaves at 6 weeks by the way. That is no tadpole. I am not uptight about sex. I do not believe that biblically fornication means unmarried sex, it means things the bible SAYS are sexual sins in detail. Unmarried sex is not on the list of sexual sins. Marriage is praised and uplifted, but the statutory legal marriage is not necessary as it was unknown until very recent history, or at least limited to nobles for political purposes. The WORST aspect of fornication in the bible is temple prostitution or even spiritual fornication as the worship of false gods without a sex act being involved. In the Old Testament when it says for Israelites not to be prostitutes or prostitute their sons or daughters, the Hebrew word is VERY specific to temples prostitution. The ancient Hebrew as a separate word for secular prostitution, and it is not used in the Old Testemant when prostitution is called a sin, only the temple prostitution is called a sin. This makes sense since ancient pagans believed one was having sex with a god or goddess through the prostitute as a proxy. It makes sense why this would offend God greatly. That all being said, if one is not ready to have a child, take steps to prevent pregnancy. If it happens, step up to take care of the kid. If it is difficult get help or consider adoption.

Brett, Necromancer of the Hungry,

I see you picked up on the tadpole thread. Tadpoles have brainwaves. Anything with a brain/nervous system has brainwaves.

A baby born without the prefrontal cortex (PFC) is in the same situation as someone who is brain-dead, more or less a tadpole. Until the PFC starts developing, an embryo is not a human being.

Brett, Necromancer of the Hungry,

Why do you think it is your place to tell women what to do with their bodies?

I find it absurd that an immortal, omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent supernatural entity would be OFFENDED by anything a mortal, weak, limited physical being could ever do.

Andy, Merchant of the Lonely,

God is offended by what mere mortals do because He cares about us and doesn't want us to do evil to each other.

Frankie, Warlord of Arts and Crafts,

Do you support social programs to take care of all of the unwanted kids?

The OP was talking about a zygote not a baby. Are you confused about the difference?

Andy, Merchant of the Lonely,

I support organizations that help mothers with unplanned kids. Even though it isn't perfect and is drastic need of reform, I support keeping government support programs for single mothers until we can fix them up and make them better, maybe get rid of bureaucratic bloat and have a higher percentage of tax dollars actually got people in need.

Bobbie, Consultant of the Financial Services department,

What is this obsession you have with prostitution?

Bobbie, Ninja of the craft table,

Perhaps, if they had paid attention in biology class, they wouldn't be worrying so much about a zygote.

Andy, Merchant of the Lonely,

After 12 weeks that clump of cells has a heartbeat, this is scientific fact.

Brett, Necromancer of the Hungry,

I guess this means we can't eat meat anymore either. It stops a beating heart.

Andy, Merchant of the Lonely,

Animals are not on the same level as human beings. In the bible God gives us permission to eat animals. In the bible God is against animal abuse. No joke, I believe animals should be treated humanely right up to the second you slaughter them for their meat. Many farms compromise this and should, if necessary, be forced by the government to change, but eating meat is nowhere a sin in the bible. In fact we are to be pro life for humans, eating a little more meat with fresh fruits and vegetables and fewer carbs might be better for human health. We might cut the incidence and potential new cases of heart disease and diabetes way down. Research this on Google, YouTube etc.

Brett, Necromancer of the Hungry,

And once you have convinced someone who doesn't want to have a child, to have one, do you support any social programs to help that child have a happy, healthy life or does your compassion run out at birth?

Andy, Merchant of the Lonely,

I support financial help for all struggling people.

Bobbie, Ninja of the craft table,

So does a tadpole. Without a prefrontal cortex, it might as well be a tadpole. It sure as hell not human.