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1. RE: Birthers Punk'd! Hoax Kenyan Birth Certificate

   Posted on August 07, 2009 at 03:59 AM (UTC) ( over 2 years ago )
   

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   I can't accept this as proof of the hoax -- I need to see the long form forgery, goddammit.

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1. RE: Birthers Punk'd! Hoax Kenyan Birth Certificate

   Posted on August 07, 2009 at 07:20 AM (UTC) ( over 2 years ago )
   

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   BORN IN THE USA?
   Bill would force Obama to reveal birth documents
   State senator: 'Why wouldn't they be available to the public?'
   

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   Posted: August 07, 2009
   12:30 am Eastern
   
   

   By Jerome R. Corsi
   © 2009 WorldNetDaily

    

   Hawaii state Sen. Will Espero

   Hawaii state Sen. Will Espero, a Democrat, has confirmed plans to introduce legislation through which the state's lawmakers would force the public disclosure of all President Obama's birth documents held by the Hawaii Department of Health, including President Obama’s long-form original birth certificate.

   Espero told WND his bill is aimed at "giving citizens access to birth records" under a standard of government transparency which would permit journalists to request in writing the public disclosure of vital birth records including long-form birth certificates of all persons born in Hawaii. He said it would include the release of birth records on those previously born in Hawaii.

   "My decision to file the legislation was primarily a result of the fuss over President Obama's birth records and the lingering questions," Espero said.

   Espero told WND that he believes President Obama was born in Hawaii.

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   "My motivation is strictly to promote transparency," he said. "When I found out that Hawaii birth records were not available to the public my first thought was, 'Why wouldn't they be available to the public?'

   "As far as I am concerned, records regarding whether a person was born here or not should be in the public domain," he said.

   Asked specifically about Obama's birth records, including the original long-form birth certificate, Espero said, "Whatever birth records regarding President Obama that the Hawaii Department has on file should be made public."

   Espero emphasized that his legislation would make provisions to deal with security issues by making sure no information would be released that could aid criminals to commit identity theft.

   Once his legislation is drafted, Espero said he would submit it to Hawaii Director of Health Dr. Chiyome Fukino for comment before introducing the legislation to the Hawaii state legislature.

   WND previously reported that the Hawaii Department of Health destroyed no paper long-form original birth certificate records when the agency moved to electronic record keeping in 2001.

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   "I am not aware of any birth certificate records that have been destroyed by the department," Janice Okubo, Public Information Officer for the Hawaii DOH, told WND.

   "When the department went electronic in 2001, vital records whether in paper form or any other form have been maintained. We don't destroy records," she said.

   Okubo affirmed that beginning in 2001, all vital records including birth records moved to electronic formats.

   "Any records that we had in paper or any other form before 2001 are still in file within the department," she insisted. "We have not destroyed any vital statistics records that we have."

   WND has also reported the Hawaiian Department of Health declined to authenticate either of the two versions of President Obama's short-form "Certification of Live Birth," posted online – one image produced by the Obama campaign and the other produced by FactCheck.org.

   Okubu also had no explanation for why Dr. Chiyome Fukino's initial press release in her position as chief of the health department last October and subsequent press release on July 27 avoided declaring the posted images to be authentic documents.  

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   • End of the road for Probamas

     Posted on August 07, 2009 at 07:46 AM (UTC) ( over 2 years ago )
     

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     Prepare to eat some humble pie if this legislation passes, Probamas.

     -You might want to remove your foot first. 

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2. RE: Birthers Punk'd! Hoax Kenyan Birth Certificate

   Posted on August 07, 2009 at 02:16 PM (UTC) ( over 2 years ago )
   

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   -- Given the state of the jurisprudence on "natural born citizenship ", the Gray Communist Usurper would most probably be found ineligible by any serious U.S. court even if he were born in the United States
   This is evident from the quotations in United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898) and even more from the discussions leading to the passing of the 14th Amendment -- if only a court would accept to address the issue rather than claim incompetence or deny standing:
   
   

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   ... Whatever might had been the correct understanding of “natural-born citizen” prior to 1866, the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment certainly changes the view because for the first time we have a written national rule declaring who are citizens through birth or naturalization. Who may be born citizens is conditional upon being born “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States - a condition not required under the common law. The legislative definition of “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” was defined as “Not owing allegiance to anybody else.”
   
   This national rule prevents us from interpreting natural-born citizen under common law rules because it eliminates the possibility of a child being born with more than one allegiance....
   
   Rep. John A. Bingham commenting on Section 1992 said it means
   
   “every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.”
   (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))
   
   Bingham subscribed to the same view as most everyone in Congress at the time that in order to be born a citizen of the United States one must be born within the allegiance of the Nation. Bingham had explained that to be born within the allegiance of the United States the parents, or more precisely, the father, must not owe allegiance to some other foreign sovereignty
   
   ... Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, James F. Wilson of Iowa, added on March 1, 1866:
   
   “We must depend on the general law relating to subjects and citizens recognized by all nations for a definition, and that must lead us to the conclusion that every person born in the United States is a natural born citizen of such States, except that it may be that children born on our soil to temporary sojourners [British subject Barack Hussein Sr] or representatives of foreign Governments.” [Soviet agent Franklin Marshall Davis]
   (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1117 (1866))

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